According to the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground", James Cameron sends a robot submarine into the sitting room of the promenade suite on B deck and films Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . (Click to enlarge), Titanic author Steve Hall summarises the porthole history: "At the time of the Titanic's launch there were 14 portholes in the port side plating between the focsle deck and the sheer line of the hull, but by December the same year, the ship was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. The swap was purely to keep the company in business. Olympic had 16 bow portholes. This is consistent with the damage previously sustained by Olympic. It is not surprising that even Frank Finch doubted the third-hand story he relayed. But you do not need any imagination when you view a rather conclusive image that reveals that the 'patchwork' on the wreck does not match the location of the actual damage on the Olympic: Photograph of RMS Olympic showing the location of the damage. 11. In a similarly themed false claim, it is also stated that "when the supposed Olympic was taken out of service in 1935 (arriving in Jarrow, UK on October 13th 1935 to be stripped and broken down) part of the wood panelling and other parts including the Aft first class staircase, was taken and used in the White Swan Hotel, Alnwick, UK. The art of not violating the verse. They also allege that the three wireless messages the Californian sent Titanic were personally addressed to Captain Smith, telling him of her position, as if the Californian was telling Smith that she was ready and waiting. If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? 49. other images of Olympic and Titanic, this post-disaster image has the anchors stowed, thus obscuring this area of interest. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets, 34. It is a measurement of volume or the enclosed internal space of a ship. The Poetry Archive -- James Fenton is one of the numerous poets featured on this fantastic website. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the length of Titanic name's hinting at a cover-up. it is difficult to examine the evidence (if there is any) but needless to say it does sound like hearsay and an attempt to offset 8. Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the. So if indeed it was part of some pre-arranged 'rescue' it completely failed in its purpose. --Mal 21:03, 18 February 2007 . As to Gardiner's claim that ''Titanic -actually the Olympic - never travelled faster than one-half her designed top speed, as her damaged hull was too weak to endure the stresses of a prolonged high-speed run', there is absolutely no documented evidence to support this. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 3. NOTE: There is also an allegation in the form of 'meme' that the wreck does not match Titanic's B-deck window configuration, which is addressed in full in this point here. THIS IS NOT A THEORY. According to Bruce Ismay's testimony before the British Wreck Commission they planned to increase Toggle navigation. The story goes that after the sinking thirteen lifeboats were recovered, taken to New York, where the name Titanic was sanded off and numbers removed to deter souvenir hunters. It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. Titanic being towed out to her sea trials. James A. Fenton aka "Paddy the Pig" Paddy Fenton is someone who had told his fellow seamen that they were in fact switched. off the bell. Gardiner further hypothesizes that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). 23. Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". They 48. "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). There are a couple of important points to first realise. This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. Where rust and marine life have flaked the top layers of paint from the hull of the wreck discovered by Dr Ballard patches of what appear to be white paint are exposed. It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. Damage from Olympic 's collision with Hawke was more significant 3. (for more information see here). Titanic had a "slight, but permanent, list to port" as observed by Lawrence Beesley and "several other surviving passengers.". The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous On the Olympic I am speaking of? https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Fenton, The Poetry Archive - Biography of James Fenton, Poetry Foundation - Biography of James Fenton. but would have perhaps slowed the rate of sinking. The crew aboard Titanic from Belfast to Southampton were (except for the deck officers) local operators (or "runners") who mostly worked on voyages that were made locally, and did this with a number of ships, not just Titanic. So the public and media were certainly not barred from touring her prior to her voyage. The fields are mined and the wind blows cold. 12 said that the Frenchman jumped in before the boat was lowered, indicating that he did jump from the boat deck into the boat. Titanic prior to her departure on her maiden voyage. In fact, according to American researcher Jon Hollis, the bell recovered The highly imaginative claim that the Cunard ship the Carpathia was a planned rescue ship collapses not only as it is wholey without evidence, but the numbers are inaccurate and any logic absent. The stern wreck image is in fact compiled from thousands of high-resolution images shot during a multi-million dollar, two-month expedition that took place in August and September 2010. Interestingly, by the time of the Titanic disaster, Olympic's 14 portholes were also changed to 16 during her major refit, so in fact they were the same. However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. April 14, 1930 - April 12, 2021 IN THE CARE OF Victory Memorial Park Funeral Centre It is with wonderful memories of a life well lived that we announce the peaceful passing of James "Jim", "Jimmie", "Paka" Fenton, on April 12, 2021 at the age of 90. Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. A man named James A. Fenton who was a construction worker for the construction of the Titanic said they were switched. shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. There were no plates or anything that could be swapped over- the name was literally engraved into the ship, then filled in with paint. Paddy said that the guilt of This means Morgan would certainly have no reason to return early on April 10 especially when he was due in Venice by April 23 (remembering that the transatlantic voyages are at least 5 days long, he would be unlikely to make it back in time). And so we have established that the Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved. One of the ships bells was The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. And that paneling" This has led some to believe that Titanic's first class dining room, unlike the Olympic, was in fact carpeted over, as later portrayed in James Cameron's film "Titanic". Olympic, Titanic and Britannic) all had watertight bulkheads so it would Additionally, especially as the ship was being labelled "practically unsinkable" how would they explain this 'mysterious' flooding to the inquiries that would no doubt take place afterward? Nor does it prove Gardiners speculation that the name had been ground This is the wreck montage here: PHOTOGRAPH 2012 RMS TITANIC, INC. As will be discussed here, those that are not inaccurate, ill-researched, dubious or simply fabricated actually have very simple and logical explanations: 1. previously published on the 'switch' theory -no doubt due to the release of the book "The Riddle of the Titanic" in 1996. performance, only two miles shy of Olympics best ever maiden voyage daily run, and she did that with only 21 J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). (Click image to enlarge). Of course there is none. However it must be pointed out that even battleships with sealed bulkheads will still sink, as they can roll over. James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. ", Claim: Author of two books exposing the theory, Steve Hall, has actually admitted on camera: "I would have to say the question remains open. 5. Difference in tonnage 7. However he conveniently does not explain Paddy also said One issue with this theory is that 401: Titanic's propeller is on Olympic certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. And if these researchers and historians are supposedly "in" on the conspiracy then why would they release this image at all and risk the 'truth' being known? Although the ship had 14, then later 16, portholes on the port side, she had 15 on her starboard side, and this number remained consistent throughout. Thirdly, the characteristics of the Olympic were already known so there was less of a learning curve to deal with. It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. If a number of people had cancelled because of some sort of fear of a switch or insurance scam going on, it seems very likely that they would have spoken out after the disaster. Parisian (50 miles) Allan Line, Liverpool, England, Westbound, Glasgow - Halifax - Boston 38. To be able to go into that room and see that marble fireplace still sitting there Author Steve Hall admits it could be the Olympic This claim seems to originate from a quote from Baker Charles Burgess printed in Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" who stated: "Like the Olympic, yes, but so much more elaborate. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail 35. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. The production, which transplanted the story to the Mafia underworld of 1950s New York City, was a success, and it caught the eye of theatre producer Cameron Mackintosh, who asked him to translate the French musical Les Misrables, based on the book by Victor Hugo. of the surviving crew. But according to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "none of Titanic's boats were reused by the White Star Line. On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). Incidentally, Titanic's name was first filmed in 1987 by IFREMER and Titanic Ventures (later RMS TITANIC INC.) after they cleaned that part of the bow from rust. The list is believed to be accurate, but may contain some errors. recovered from the wreck but, although in excellent condition, there was no The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets Titanic did not strike an iceberg 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. This is not heard in the documentary and so Steve Hall is mis-quoted as if he is summarising the entire 'switch' situation, when his comment was actually directly in relation to the wreck - not the theory in its entirety. In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. Specifically, her passenger (excluding crew) capacity was listed as 2,550: 1st-class: 100 Sometime later in a documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" the following image appeared: An obviously faked computer generated image of the letters M and P on the wreck. By that time Olympic was at Belfast and underwent a major refit which also included new davits and new lifeboats which were larger than the previous lifeboats.". There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. The switch theory primarily rests on the alleged premise that the sinking was a deliberate act to recover insurance money, to rescue the White Star Line from bankruptcy. It is quite possible that those who "remember" Ballard giving a presentation in which he said he saw evidence it was the Olypmic are actually just remembering the documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" which contained fake imagery falsely purported to be evidence of a switch filmed by Ballard. Above: Titanic, left and Olympic, right. If he had indeed mentioned it at a presentation why did it not become substantial news at the time? You do not need to be an expert to see that it certainly does not. He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). And also the Olympic was 500 miles away and would have been a much better solution if such a rescue was necessary. She had a total capacity of 47 passengers and 55 crew members. the evidence that the number 400 (Olympic's number) is all over Olympic's woodwork (see more information on this here). And that there were not binoculars on the Titanic? Was this done deliberately to help with the switch? However, as discussed in point 36 (below), almost certainly James Fenton was not aboard Titanic as he claimed. Corrections? 'The Olympic Room' Claim: While the wheelhouse of the Olympic was allegedly constructed in a bow fronted fashion, a photograph taken from the top of the huge steel gantry appears to show a straight fronted wheelhouse, exactly as it appeared on earlier drawings of the ship. Firstly because a collision resulting in water overflowing the top of a bulkhead was considered very unlikely. Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit The crossing from Belfast to Southampton was a short crossing, while the North Atlantic route (Southampton to New York) was much longer. ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to, 44. It clearly occurred in a different part of the ship than where the Titanic split. Omissions? And they were not the only ones. - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck Also as above, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? It began in January of 1912 Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic It is true that there was a coal strike and this had serious repercussions for the shipping and maritime industries. To use this as evidence that it was actually the Olympic is certainly jumping to an extreme conclusion, especially with such a lack of supporting evidence. Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. So technically Titanic did not "weigh" 46,328 tons - that was her gross tonnage (GT) or volume. 25. Another key component of the 'switch' theory is to state that damage to HMS Hawke was much more substantial. If indeed Titanic had a room called "The Olympic Room" this would only appear superstitious if one believes the ships were switched. 12 was lowered a French man jumped in from B Deck. Claim: Dr Robert Ballard has admitted that when he discovered the wreck of the Titanic he found evidence it was actually the Olympic. At present I have found no evidence of a room named "The Olympic Room" on Titanic, however it would not be surprising. Some drowned, some were probably killed below decks and there is speculation that an officer may have committed suicide. 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Another set of poems was published by Fullers press as the broadsheet Put Thou Thy Tears into My Bottle (1969). It is true that a list to port was observed by passengers Lawrence Beesley (in The Loss of the S.S.Titanic) and Norman Chambers (US Inquiry). Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. Morgan and Ismay would have to be fortune tellers as well as fraudsters! However, the committee, announcing that he will be in Venice on April 23 for the inauguration of the biennial International Art Exhibition, April 25, and dedicate the new Campanile of St. He wrote most of them when. - Yes. 7:15 PM. By the time Titanic's maiden voyage came along Olympic had been operating for a year. Since they both essentially had the same dimensions, the difference is simply due to revised interior configurations We also have a substantial amount of supporting evidence to prove that Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved: 1. Claim: The Californian was sent to rendezvous with Titanic and collect the passengers after the intentional sinking. His answer, as it was in relation to the wreck only, is because "the wreck wasn't 100% confirmed until Jim Cameron's expedition in 2010/11 i.e. drive the ship at full speed.. 4. Difference in number of Titanic's portholes Damage to Olympic caused by its collision with HMS Hawke. 14. No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. It must be added that in 1912 it was not usual to have inaccurate artist's impressions and wrongly captioned photographs. - Oh, I beg your pardon, yes. 36. Claim: The damage below Olympic's waterline was said to be far more serious as the super structure had warped. Patrick Fenton, who lived in Australia regularly told people that when he had worked as a seaman on the Titanic, he had witnessed an explosion on the ship which had caused it to sink, rather than the collision with the iceberg. Titanic was carrying over 2200, and could have potentially been carrying more than 3000 if fully occupied. The wind blows through his silver hair. Importantly it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. Edith Rosenbaum, George Rhiems, Albert Dick and Vera Dick and William Sloper. There is no record of anyone doing so. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position as already discussed here the Olympic's damage from HMS Hawke did not exceed $125,000, and there is independent verification of this fact. "It was a somewhat quiet affair.". 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. And as for both Lord and Smith sleeping "full clothed" that is pure speculation, and has little relevance anyway. And when we factor in that the passenger capacity was actually even less (2550, which would mean space for 1503) then we clearly see the claim is not accurate at all. There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. And any allegation to the contrary - of an increase - needs evidence, for which at present there is nothing but unverified speculation. In 33 von 66 Fllen wurde der Preistrger spter mit einem Oscar ausgezeichnet, zuletzt 2022 geschehen, mit der Preisvergabe . Claim: Photographs taken of Titanic at Southampton shortly before her maiden voyage show a large area of discoloured plating, as if it had been newly painted with paint that did not quite match the original, in the same location as Olympic's hull was damaged by HMS Hawke. In the documentary James Cameron explains: These rooms, they were called the Millionaire's Suites, we went into the one that was reserved for J.P. Morgan. It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. Does it reveal evidence of suspicious or unusual damage? 16. 'The Olympic Room' 8. (Click image to see the full, enlarged photograph). Titanic sailor's deathbed confession of 'switch' 22. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 4. In 1973 Terminal Moraine (1972), his first full-length collection of poetry, won the Eric Gregory Award. The Hawke impacted the Olympic in the stern area. Since finishing touches were still being put to the ships accommodation, its hardly surprising that the public was not allowed onboard at Southampton. 19. Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. by Burgess alone, with no collaboration from other eyewitnesses. Lack of publicity for Titanic Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the Importantly, 31. Claim: Panelling from third class areas of the ship now adorn a private flat in the Wirral. A post disaster image of Olympic shows the plating joint has disappeared, revealing she is in fact Titanic. did not do serious damage but when the cold water hit the coal fire, it Author Steve Hall: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic.". 2. An example of the many adverts that show the Olympic instead of Titanic - logical considering one was the older sister. To confirm this Parks Stephenson visited B-52 with James Cameron on a later mission in 2001 and described the room as still retaining "several of its fittings. Photographs taken of Titanic leaving Southampton also reveal a slight port list. It seems those intent on proving a 'switch' have mistaken the missing bridge enclosure, the rectangular gap in the forward bulwark (painted white) for the wheelhouse. The Turkish bath spaces were different. Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. There is nothing here that reveals a 'switch'. Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. During her construction and in this particular photograph the name was not very clear so the photographer took the liberty of sketching it in, which was not an unusual practice of the day. Claim: Eyewitnesses themselves describe running along Titanics decks, but where they said there were promenades, there should have been cabins. He also may have been confused with the Reception Room, which did indeed have wall-to-wall carpet on the Olympic. Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. 28. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch This is because, of course, as an insurance scam everything was a set up and rescue ships were in the area waiting for the sinking. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg, 26. Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of 45,324 (1911-1912) while the Titanic was recorded as 46,328 - a difference of 1004 gross tons. is unfair and disingenuous at best. This image allegedly shows 'hull plating from the wreck showing white and light grey paint showing through the black top coat'. But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? This is demonstrably false information. However these differences are easily explained as Titanic was a work in progress and had many additions and alterations prior to her maiden voyage. the Hawke collision that would supposedly justify a 'switch' scenario.
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